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What’s your favorite Horror movie? Is it the one where the typically comedic actor plays a dead serious role of a father whose wife and children are stuck with him in another country where violence and anarchy have erupted, threatening their lives for certain death if they find no escape? Or is your favorite scary movie the one where the large, quiet, seemingly unstoppable monster from the future comes and hunts down and exterminate a young woman, killing several others in his path one by one, until the young lady ends up being the final girl to face him? Or is your new favorite scary movie the “requel” called Scream (2022)? If so, you’re in luck because in Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies, Episode 002, Jay and his suspicious, usual suspect cohorts Dave “Dr. Shock” Becker, The Gillman Joel Robertson and Mister Watson do their best to take a stab at dancing around a spoiler-free review of Scream (2022), but alas, to no avail. So, make sure you see the new movie before you listen to our review!
And of course, also in Episode 002 we have Dr. Walking Dead Kyle Bishop’s segment, The Dead Zone, where he discusses the grave importance and viral influence of his all-time favorite zombie film, George Romero’s Dawn of the Dead (1978)”. Of course, the other four hosts bring you their individual Specialty Segments, which include Mister Watson’s Horror Hierarchy, Gillman Joel’s Horror Lagoon, Dr. Shock’s Macabre Film History and Jay of the Dead’s It Could Happen to You Horror segments! This episode also features a couple of other new-year Horror movie releases as we review The Kindred (2022), Sleep (2022) and See for Me (2022). (The last one is barely a Horror film, but Jay of the Dead will defend its inclusion here.) We also bring you reviews of some recent, 2021 Horror movies, such as The Night House (2021), Detention (2021), Jakob’s Wife (2021) and a Horror short film with the benign- and innocuous-sounding title, Quiet Room Bears (2021)!
And for this episode’s edition of A ’70s, ’80s or ’90s HORROR MOVIE THAT MIGHT BE NEW FOR YOU from John Kenneth Muir’s “Horror Films of the 1980s Decade” book, your hosts review William Lustig’s infamous Maniac (1980). We hope you’ll join us, and be sure to subscribe to Jay of the Dead’s new Horror movie podcast on:
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Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies is a biweekly podcast that releases every other Wednesday. Our five experienced Horror hosts review new horror movies and deliver specialty Horror segments. Your hosts are Jay of the Dead, Dr. Shock, Gillman Joel, Mister Watson and Dr. Walking Dead. Due to the large number and busy schedule of its five horror hosts, Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies will be recorded in segments, piecemeal, at various times and recording sessions. Therefore, as you listen to our episodes, you will notice a variety of revolving door hosts and segments, all sewn together and reanimated like the powerful Monster of Dr. Frankenstein!
SHOW NOTES
[ 00:00:01 ] – Introduction
- Welcome to Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies, Episode 002
- Dedication: Shout-out and salute to Shane the Maniac Cop
- Your hosts: The National Treasure Dave “Dr. Shock” Becker, The “Florida Man” Gillman Joel Robertson, Pacific Northwest karaoke champion Mister Watson and eventually, Dr. Walking Dead Kyle Bishop
[ 00:06:17 ] – New 2022 and 2021 Horror Movies
Scream (2022) — (Mild SPOILERS)
Mister Watson = 7 ( Theaters / Buy it! )
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 9 ( Theater / Buy it on 4K! )
Gillman Joel = 8.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Jakob’s Wife (2021)
Dr. Shock = 8.5 ( Strong Rental )
Mister Watson = 7.5 ( Strong Rental )
Specialty Segment
Mister Watson’s Horror Hierarchy
[ 01:03:20 ] – Top 10 Must-See Meta Horror Movies
- The Cabin in the Woods (2012)
- Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006)
- Scream (1996)
- Tucker and Dale vs. Evil (2010)
- Rubber (2010)
- Funny Games (1997) / (2007)
- You Might Be the Killer (2018)
- Wes Craven’s New Nightmare (1994)
- Detention (2011)
- The Town That Dreaded Sundown (2014)
– Review: Exploding Heads Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 036: Behind the Mask
– Review: Horror Movie Weekly Ep. 092: You Might Be the Killer
[ 01:14:04 ] – New 2021 Horror Movies
The Night House (2021)
Gillman Joel = 7 ( Stream )
Dr. Shock = 9 ( Buy it! / Top 10 Horror Contender for 2021 )
Mister Watson = 8 ( Strong Rental )
Quiet Room Bears (2021) – Horror short film
Gillman Joel = 8.5 ( Stream on Amazon Prime )
– Quiet Room Bears Etsy Shop
Specialty Segment
The Dead Zone with Dr. Walking Dead
[ 01:29:11 ] – Celebrating George Romero’s “Dawn of the Dead” (1978)
- Eric Webster asks Dr. Bishop a zombie question
- Early zombie film history
- What makes a monster a zombie?
- The historical and filmic importance of “Dawn of the Dead” (1978)
- The Mall Fantasia Fantasy
- Kyle: Dawn of the Dead (1978) = 10 ( Must Own! )
Contact Dr. Bishop: bishopk@suu.edu
YouTube: Why Zombies Matter – by Dr. Kyle Bishop
Horror Community Spotlight: The Wat-Zee Party Horror Show – A monthly horror movie podcast featuring veteran hosts — Mister Watson and Dave Zee — as they examine and explore the Horror genre while bringing you entertaining and insightful Horror movie reviews. This podcast is a must-listen for all Mister Watson fans and anyone who appreciates Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies.
Case in point: Jay of the Dead highly recommends The Wat-Zee Party Horror Show’s essential review of “The Others” (2001). The entire episode is great, but you must listen to the Main Review portion (starting at 02:32:13) and then their SPOILER and in-depth analysis section (at 03:08:48). Don’t forget to tweet your feedback to these guys: @WatZeeParty.
Specialty Segment
Jay of the Dead’s “It Could Happen to You” Horror
[ 01:53:40 ]
Jay of the Dead = 10 ( Buy it! )
Denver Post news article: Jury finds Alex Ewing guilty in 1984 “Hammer Killer” murders of Aurora family
[ 02:02:40 ] – New Release 2021 Horror Movies
Detention (2021)
Mister Watson = 8.5 ( Rental )
Specialty Segment
Gillman Joel’s Horror Lagoon
[ 02:12:28 ]
Sleep (2022) (aka “Schlaf”) – Arrow Video Blu-ray
Gillman Joel = 8 ( Stream / Rental )
[ 02:28:56 ] – New 2022 Horror Movies
The Kindred (2022)
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Low-priority Rental )
Specialty Segment
Dr. Shock’s Macabre Film History
[ 02:36:20 ] – Movie Mogul Macabre: A Story That Will Make You Ince…
– Prelude: A quick anecdote from the book “Bogart: In Search of My Father”
– Movie Producer Thomas Ince Shot to Death on Hearst’s Yacht
— “The Cat’s Meow” (2001)
– Addendum: A word about “Rosebud”
[ 02:46:53 ] – New 2022 Horror Movies
See for Me (2022)
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Redbox Rental / Stream on Netflix )
Note about: Nightmare Alley (2022) – Crime / Drama / Thriller. Not strictly Horror, though it has Horror components and is certainly Horror-adjacent. Hear Jay of the Dead discuss Guillermo del Toro’s “Nightmare Alley” more on Movie Podcast Weekly’s Top 10 Movies of 2021 episode.
[ 02:55:57 ] – A ’70s, ’80s or ’90s HORROR MOVIE THAT MIGHT BE NEW FOR YOU
Mister Watson selected this episode’s film from John Kenneth Muir’s “Horror Films of the 1980s”
Maniac (1980)
Mister Watson = 8.5 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 9 ( Buy the Blue Underground Blu-ray )
Gillman Joel = 8.5 ( Buy it! )
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Must-See / Buy it! )
— Listener Voicemail: Big Bill Van Veghel from Land of the Creeps horror podcast
— Listener Voicemail: Eric in Syracuse, Utah
— Review: The Corpse of Anna Fritz
Encore: 8 More Horror Criterion Blu-rays Give-aways
- Jay of the Dead: The Blob (1958)
- Count Mackula: The Uninvited (1944)
- Projectile Varmint: House (1977)
- Gillman Joel: Carnival of Souls (1962)
- Dr. Walking Dead: The Devil’s Backbone (2001)
- Mister Watson: Videodrome (1983)
- Dr. Shock: Night of the Living Dead (1968)
- Jay of the Dead: Cronos (1993)
Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies proudly presents our second Criterion Give-away Winner: Dustin Fluke!
Congrats to Dustin! Just email your address to HauntingYourHeadphones@gmail.com.
Remember, if you retweet the official Twitter post promoting this “Scream” (2022) episode, we will enter your name into a drawing to potentially win a NECA Ghost Face action figure! Thanks for helping us to spread the word about this show!
[ 03:46:07 ] – THE FINAL CUT: One for the Road
WNUF Halloween Special (2013)
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Buy it! )
Wrap-Up Addenda:
– The comments are now open for Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies!
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– Jay of the Dead is composing musical tributes to all five of his Horror podcasts. Listen for them during these episodes.
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Coming Up Next in Episode 003, releasing on Wednesday, February 2, 2022: Morbius (2022) – UPDATE: Actually, the release date for “Morbius” has been moved from Jan. 28 to April 1. So, “Morbius” will be covered on Jay of the Dead’s New Horror Movies during Episode 008 (which drops on April 13, 2022).
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Jay of the dead’s New Horror Movie Podcast is fantastic! This show is your one stop shop if you’re a horror fan. I’ve been a fan of Horror Movie Podcast for years and when I heard Jay and his horror buds were starting New Horror Movie Podcast I was sold. Keep up the great job guys!
Loving this!! Fantastic show, all!!! This is a dream podcast, really. I absolutely love all the different segments.
So happy “Kidnapped” got some love here, too- It’s in my list of Top 10 Home Invasion movies, my favorite sub-genre. Can’t wait for more of this. Great job on all of this!!
This is exactly what I was hoping for in episode number 2. Thoroughly entertaining and very comprehensive. You are all doing great work here.
I did see the movie and I do enjoy this franchise quite a bit. Because Radio Silence did this, and I really did not like Ready Or Not as you know, I did not have high hopes for this, especially in a January release where movies typically go to die.
The performances overall, were pretty good I thought. The kills and practical effects were also very good. The scares were decent. It wasn’t the scariest movie, but it did have some good moments. My biggest concern was the meta aspects of the movie. When you already have this established as a big part of the charm of these films, when you do additional movies, you have to up the ante. Unfortunately, this usually leads to poor results and that is the case with this movie. They just went meta on everything. They do in fact announce that the 3rd act has begun.
You know how much I dislike when filmmakers wag their fingers at the audience. So for this to culminate from a standpoint of the fandom is pretty egregious. To have the villainy set on the very people that justify making sequels in the first place. The people that have paid to see this very film in fact.
The opening scene where Tara is stalked and attacked while house sitting is literally a repeated sequence that they have already shown you multiple times before. I was watching it thinking it was the most redundant thing I have seen. They did write her so that it was impossible not to sympathize with her character. You have to be pretty cruel to go after a character who is severely injured from a previous attack. It would have been crossing the line had they killed her in the “no-staff” hospital where there are no doctors and nurses who work there. A friend who very viciously attacks you, hangs out with you like nothing has happened, only to then re-attack you. It just did not work for me at all and was not plausible. Yes, my problem is with the killers and ridiculous meta aspects of this movie.
Question, how does a waif of a character physically dominate and dispose of other people like it’s no problem at all?
It was great to see the legacy characters in the movie, and they were my favorite part of the movie by far. I especially enjoyed David Arquette and thought he was terrific in the movie. Courtney had some good dramatic stuff there. I was a little underwhelmed by Neve’s role in the film, but she did fine.
This wasn’t a terrible film, but it was a disappointment overall for me. As I mentioned above, there are aspects of the movie that I did really like. But there were components of the movie that I really did not like at all. The technical aspects were fine, but it’s the writing and character stuff as well as continuity issues that really bring the film down for me. I walked out of the theater feeling like it was an okay movie. It was just okay. 6/10 and a low-priority rental recommendation for me. It’s the least of the franchise, but not by very much.
The upcoming cinema schedule is pretty underwhelming. We don’t get another horror until the last week of February. Looking forward to the next episode. Thanks gents!
Of course I care what you think Jay! Thanks for chiming in.
Eric, I thought it was awesome that you wrote Dr. Bishop with that question. I’ve had that same question myself. I had a feeling he would say something about “agency.”
Great second show. I love the format.
It’s so cool to hear everything come together after all of Jay’s post-production!
Starting with my usual line, “I’m only part way through the episode” but I’ve been drinking so want to ramble about Scream. First of all, great episode so far, y’all are starting off strong with the first two episodes and I’m excited to continue this New Horror Movie Podcast journey with you all! As a Scream fanatic, I had a blast listening to your “spoiler free” review of the franchise. Growing up, my sister was 14 years older than me so I was constantly subject to Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Friday the 13th on repeat when she was babysitting my 5 year old self. Although I thought the films were neat, it wasn’t until I discovered Scream that I really appreciated the horror genre and was inspired to study up on the tropes on watch the source material. My whole horror persona “Slashley” is owed to the Scream franchise. The first horror convention I went to was one I saw that Neve Campbell was attending because I had to meet her. After that the horror seal was fully broken and now I attend/volunteer at several horror events a year and to quote Kirby in Scream 4, “I can trivia your ass under the table, cinema boy.” I even travelled to the west coast just to attend a party at Stu’s house and visit the locations (scariest part about that trip was I stayed on the property at a smaller home (not Stu’s house) and I was awoken by a chorus of creepy gobble shouting, when I stepped outside, there were about 21 turkeys and 4 deer just chilling in the fog). I was thoroughly impressed with the new Scream – a full range of emotions were invoked, the legacy cast wasn’t overused, and the kills were gore-geous. Although overall the new characters are weaker, I had a blast with the experience. Scream for me is similar to the Harry Potter phenomena, I’ve watched the legacy cast and Ghostface evolve through so much, it’s like they are family. It’s definitely flawed but the experience is a worthwhile journey. Also, I love the use of more daylight settings for killings (how in the hell does Woodsboro PD have such a slow response time) and the hospitals – there’s something about blood contaminating the sterile white walls of a halogen flickered hall that really sells it for me.
Probably controversial ratings of the franchise:
Scream – 10
Scream 2 – 8
Scream 3 – 7
Scream 4 – 8.5
Scream (5) – 8.5
Jakob’s Wife felt fresh and fun. It was a great viewing experience, especially if you are a Barbara Crampton fan. I will add a warning for fellow misophones that during the dinner scene, you’ll want to mute and add subtitles.
P.S. Jay of the Dead, how are you going to complain about someone else’s top 10 list when you had No Escape as your number 1 horror film of 2015? (I’m only kidding…or am I)? But I do agree with you that Terminator is a slasher (though I’ve admittedly only seen the first one because cyborgs terrify me).
P.P.S I ramble and don’t always use commas appropriately, sorry not sorry grammar police.
Ha, why are you still reading this nonsense? I’ll be back once I eventually finish the episode.
Cheers to the New Horror Movie podcast! Y’all are truly fantastic.
I had an absolute blast reading this, Slashley G! LOL! I, too, comment on podcasts while drinking! 🙂
Hey all! I just wanted say how much I’m enjoying this new podcast. After seeing the new Scream opening weekend, it was an added treat to hear your coverage. Despite a few flaws, I found it a thoughtfully made and highly engaging entry into the franchise and I gave it a 4/5 stars on Letterboxd (or an 8/10).
As for the segment on Maniac, I fully agree that it is not a misogynistic film. I had been reluctant to see it for years and then finally checked it out when it was part of “The Last Drive-In” and I liked it so much more than I was expecting to. I think this is entirely due to Joe Spinell’s performance.
Lastly, Jay’s review of The WUNF Halloween Special made me really happy, as it’s become a regular part of the Halloween ambience at our house each season.
Keep up the excellent work guys!
Allyson, you rock! Thanks so much for your kind words! 🙂
My initial thoughts on the latest film in the Scream franchise is that it does precisely what the Scream franchise does and there’s no reinvention of the wheel here. In fact, it’ meta commentary on modern horror movies is going to probably split a vast majority of the fan base, and I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. I am not entirely sure that the commentary will hit with quite the same snark and humor as previous entries so that will be as it will be.
Scream (2022) picks up in Woodsboro, the small town location of the original film, eschewing the numerical order as part of he “requel” commentary of the film. As we learn from this movies Expert, a “requel” is a film that acts as neither a sequel nor a reboot but a combination of both. That modern films who take this approach are trying to appeal/respect the older fans while also creating something “new” on the back of something that’s already come before. It’s a convoluted explanation, but works as a commentary on modern films currently making their way through streaming, cinemas, and direct to blu-ray. It’ can’t say it’s Scream 5, but it’s still basically Scream 5.
It’s been decades since the events of the first film, and all the kids are watching “elevated” horror these days and stupid slashers are cliche thing of the past. Nobody is likely to receive a mysterious phone call, because we have caller ID and we have Smart Phones, and security systems, and all the other stuff that makes us feel seen and safe- but then Tara Carpenter (Jenna Ortega) receives just that sort of a call with a lingering threat that leads her to run out of her house- and directly into the waiting attack from a killer with a knife. This draws her older sister back to town, Sam Carpenter (Melissa Berrera) and it isn’t long before a connection to the original Wooodsboro killings would be revealed. A new supporting cast of potential killers and victims introduced, the legacy characters are also drawn back to town for the grisly events.
I have had a pretty interesting relationship with the Scream series, myself- as a fan of the slasher genre, the Scream series always sort of worked as a comedy horror more so than a general straight fright film. The “killer” was always pretty damned obvious, while everyone around me were losing their collective minds about the twists and turns of the pot. This film also has a lot of twists and turns, leading me to fully believe that one of the red herrings is responsible-
BUT- when the big reveal does make itself known- there is virtually nothing that really makes sense within the plot or direction of the film that would follow through with it. It’s so out of left field that it only works as a twist because nothing supports it. They retcon quite a bit of the film in order to shoe-horn the ending, linking it to the meta-commentary of film in the broader scope, but they forget the biggest point of a “reveal” in the process- it HAS to show some degree of consistency, and this one doesn’t really do that.
So, while the film is fun and consistent with it’s meta-commentary- it ultimately fails to exist outside the line of what it’s trying to say about modern horror films.
7 out of 10
Well said, sir. I’m right there with ya!
**HUGE SCREAM SPOILERS**
I’m with you on this, Redcap. My biggest issues with this entry could have been avoided with smarter casting. Casting a series of unknowns next to an up and coming star who is the son of huge Hollywood stars hopefully raises an eyebrow for anyone paying attention to this series. I had guessed the killer (well the one) from the onset and when they visit Arquette and he literally tells them who it is, my eyeroll on the ‘misdirect’ couldn’t have been bigger.
The second killer? She was a background character at best, so when that reveal happened, it fell like a lead balloon. Additionally when you ‘do the math’ to determine who was killing and at what times, I find it impossible to believe this high school child took three bullets (vest or not) and got up ready to take on a full grown man. Those types of things pull me right out of it.
Being meta for meta’s sake doesn’t excuse your lack of quality. Making reference to the 5th Stab movie being the beginning of the downfall of the series does not make it ok that this 5th Scream movie is poor.
Why show Billy Loomis? That didn’t come into play. Show how his progeny is ‘crazy’ because she stabs a person who killed a bunch of her friends? Also was he a psychic ghost? Did she not know the knife was under the curtain at the end until the psychic ghost told her? Pills keep the psychic ghost away? Nonsense.
Also as a huge proponent of representation in horror (in movies in general), can we please get a LGBTQ+ character who is not just a laundry list of buzzwords and stereotypical attributes? Their sexuality doesn’t need to be such a big part of the character down to wearing a rainbow pin. My LGBTQ+ friends are humans. They’re people with real passions, loves and interests. I know this is supposed to be representative of high school kids and the ‘layers’ may not be there yet, but this felt forced and superficial most of the time.
Having said all of that. Every moment with the OG cast was great. Speaks volumes to the characterizations they created and the legacy of the original movie.
1-2-4-3-5. Yes, 3 better than 5.
I tried to avoid the spoilers, which was actually kind of a challenge. I didn’t want to reveal ANYTHING and I think I did a pretty good job of it- but yes, speaking on the one killer: They were a hundred pounds MAYBE soaking wet, and getting shot HURTS- even if you wear a vest. It’s lie getting hit by a pro-baseball player hitting you in the ribs with a baseball bat. I mean, there’s believable and then there’s this- but I will say, that was the one I KNEW was the killer from the outset. The other one… I have to admit, I believed the misdirect only because it was so incredibly ridiculous to even concieve and yet AND YET…. they were the killer. It made no sense with what we were shown in the movie so far-unlike with previous entries where you could go back and see where the clues were laid out, this one was just a series of misdirections with other people making accusations. It was senseless.
But, with that said, it also made sense with regard to the type of film it was trying to criticize- the whole “Requel” thing, with all the little tricks and trappings of several recent films that are just BAD MOVIES…. but they are currently trending. So… well, here we have it.
Redcap,
Well said, sir. I danced around it on the episode itself, but YES… getting shot (even with a vest on)… will mess you the hell up! Especially given the killer reveal. I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that this person could physically do what they did at any point in that key scene. And the fact that a KEY protagonist gets killed by this person in that way… it’s dishonorable. I high-key hate it the more I think about it. It demonstrates a narrative sloppiness that only serves the whodunnit mystery without consideration for the fact that if you reverse-engineer the kills based on who is underneath the mask, it’s just silly at times. And a movie that is supposedly as “self-aware” as this one claims to be should know better.
Also, since this review, I’ve been thinking about the “rules” of the “requel,” and it’s not obvious to me that this movie adhered to anything more than superficial nods to such films.
Anyway, I’m with you, my friend. LOL.
Actually, I find the whole “requel” idea IS, in itself, very superficial. When it works, it does do what the film describes as a “functional” version of the film- but we’ve seen a bunch of dysfunctional versions, where the term “honoring” the previous films devolves into Easter Eggs and Fan Service. This is a BAD “requel” at it’s core, and I’m not entirely sure that wasn’t the intent of the story. Honestly, I think they purposefully made a bad “requel” and followed all the rules as they perceived them.
Nesskid,
You are singing my tune, my friend! I wanted SO BADLY to say everything you’ve said here, but obviously, we strive to keep things spoiler-free on the show. In any case, you are spot on!
I could rant right now, but I probably shouldn’t! LOL!
Mister Watson (fellow Watson) we see MANY things the same! Part of why I wanted to start commenting more is to share some of these alignments! I haven’t listened to the episode just yet, but wanted to leave the Scream comments while my viewing was fresh in my mind. I look so forward to more discussion and debate with you and the super team!
Fellow Watson! I love it!
And yes… I ABSOLUTELY look forward to chatting with you here more, my friend. 🙂